Wednesday, May 03, 2006

fallen soldiers??

why does everyone use the term 'fallen' soldiers?
(including one line from my previous post)

fallen? fallen??

these heroes, these soldiers, have not fallen. no siree. they have risen to a level higher than we can imagine.

they are not our 'fallen' soldiers. rather, they are our 'risen soldiers'

A salute to all the soldiers who have risen while protecting Hashem's nation!

19 comments:

Chasidishe Shaigitz said...

Good point.

Salute!

wandering said...

Sabra, I love that.

Anonymous said...

i like the way u changed ones perspective on these soldiers who have given their lives for our land.
in their merit may there be peace in israel and may we once again be able to live securely in all parts of our land.

~ Sarah ~ said...

great perspective, much more positive.

david kleinert said...

I agree totally to what you are saying! Also, thanks for your kind comment on my photoblog..cheers ;)

Pragmatician said...

I like the way you changed the tone of the circumstances nevertheless it remains sad.

remchalamo said...

couldn't agree more!

The real me said...

Easy for you to say.

While it may be true, we still dont say when someone died that they have become alive.

wishes outspoken said...

then you obviously have never been to tzfat! ;)

the sabra said...

cs, wandering, anon, sarah, david, pragmatician, remchalamo-thanks and im glad you appreciate that thought. spread the message!

the real me-actually, there is something to that-that finally the neshama is reunited with its Source of Life.

and all those who give up their lives for the jewish people, go straight to gan eden. source for that, someone??

the sabra said...

one more thing, trm-why do you think its 'easy for me to say'? are we not one people? do we not all suffer in golus together?

The real me said...

Nobody is saying not, it is true. Its a gemara somewere that if you die al kiddush hashem you have no problems up there.

What I said was simply, that its easy for you to say.

The real me said...

When something bad happens to someone there are two ways to look at it.

That its really good, just we cant see it.

That hashem should stop doing such things.

The person who the misfortune befell is supposed to use the first way.

His brothers the Jewish people are supposed to complain to hashem and look at it from the second perspective.

the sabra said...

oysh i never said its a GOOD thing that our soldiers have given up their lives al kiddush hashem. i was only pointing out that instead of claiming that they have FALLEN (that they are down, low, on the floor, humiliated, gone etc) rather, this act of dying in war should be termed 'risen'. for the simple fact that what they did was not fall, but rise.

what is easy for me to say? what part? that they rise? i dont get ur point. i dont take death lightly. i dont tell hashem 'o, i guess You loved him so much You wanted him back' or 'she must have been a tzaddekes to die so young'. no! i cry, get depressed (wrong response, i know) and then try to take a hachlata upon myself in the merit of the neshama.

and when i stand in silence thinkin about these soldiers (forget all political/halachic debates on this one..im not referring only to the 'one minute') i am sad to think that people have considered them 'fallen'. zehu, they have fallen? no!

(did you understand that, trm?)

The real me said...

The word fallen is used in the Tanach, when dovid hamalech speaks about Shaul and Yonasan dieing in battle he says fallen. Eich Naflu Geborim! (he says it three times)

It is not a derogatory word is any sense.

the sabra said...

hmmm you got me there. i never knew it was used in tanach. to me, the term 'fallen' IS a derragatory term, thus my post.

but who am i to argue with dovid hamelech?

Nemo said...

Don't give in!

You made a nice point, regardless of Tanach usages. It's not arguing when your bringing out a message.

The real me said...

nemo-
Anything to side with the other side...

But thats life.

Nemo said...

Yeh, why not